What do you, as a fan, expect from Rich Rodriguez and the Wolverines in the final two weeks of the season? Is playing a close game with Ohio St. enough for you to feel comfortable with missing a Bowl game for the second consecutive year? Does Michigan have to win one of their final two games for you to consider the 2009 year a success? If you've given up on 2009, what are your expectations for 2010 and what do you feel are the proper repercussions for not meeting those expectations? WCBNers, feel free to edit this post with your own comments below. Fans, feel free to comment with your thoughts.
Jeremy: I expect Michigan to lose their final two games, but showing heart against Ohio St. would be an impressive way to salvage a disappointing season and head into 2010 with some momentum. Do I think Rich Rodriguez should be fired following a 5-7 season? I'm indifferent. I have no doubt that Rich Rodriguez is the best coach for the 2010 team, so a large part of me wants to see what he'll do with the roster that he has crafted and the system that he has put in place. At the same time, I have zero faith that Rich Rodriguez will meet out expectations of building a championship program (needless to say, Michigan MUST compete for a Big Ten title next year and, at the very least, MUST be playing on January 1st, 2011). And why should I? After Michigan beat Florida in the Capital One Bowl with Rich Rodriguez on the sidelines, the 2008 team was supposed to be led by Ryan Mallett, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Justin Boren, etc. They all left. Rodriguez struck out on Pryor, and was too stubborn to fit the system around his quarterback(s). The team, as it was constituted in week one of 2008, was supposed to be a six-win team (although many at WCBN predicted that the team would win seven or eight games). Michigan lost to Toledo (3-9), Purdue (4-8), and Northwestern (at home) and finished the season 3-9. This year, Michigan was supposed to take a step forward, certainly play in a bowl game, and compete with the middle of the Big Ten. Michigan has one Big Ten win and is in danger of missing a Bowl game for the second consecutive year. Rich Rodriguez has yet to prove to me that he can meet expectations--let alone exceed them. So fire him, keep him, whatever. Just please tell me that this school has a contingency plan when it's time to begin competing for a national championship again.
Goddeeris: First of all, I'm really looking forward to beating Ohio State this year. It's going to happen. I can feel it. It'll be a great way to get bowl eligible and I will proudly hang the picture of Brandon Graham crying tears of joy on my bedroom wall.
This has been argued at WCBN before, but I don't think Rodriguez can be blamed for players like Mallett and Manningham (and certainly not Boren, whose father was upset his younger brother Zach wasn't offered and pulled Justin from Michigan) leaving. Mallett saw an opportunity to play for his dream school, Arkansas, after Mustain transferred. Players leave during coaching changes, that's just how it is. Yes, he's been stubborn with his offense and play calling, but he's building a system and a program from (yes) a bare cupboard (especially on defense) and as painful as these last two seasons have been, I still have faith in Coach Rodriguez to right the ship and take Michigan back to the top.
Rich Rodriguez simply cannot be fired after this season. There is supposedly no greater mind behind the spread offense than Rodriguez, and bringing in a different spread coach makes no sense to me. If Michigan wanted to bring in a coach who ran more of a pro-style offense, I see us running into a problem with our lack of dominant outside WR, tiny O-linemen, and other personnel recruited to play Rodriguez's offense. That said, Rodriguez needs to put together a Big Ten Championship caliber season next year, and be contending for a national championship in year four. My health demands it. Go Blue!
Brian over at MGoBlog joined the debate today, coincidentally. Link lives here: http://mgoblog.com/content/when-can-we-fire-guy
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i agree with this in general...i would say it would be unfair to fire rodriguez at season's end, even if their final record is indeed 5-7...i think there has been marked improvement this season (no other direction to go in from last year, right) and with the recruits coming in next fall, there is reason to be excited...ty willingham had terrible results, but some say he was canned from notre dame too quickly...outside of 2005, charlie weiss hasn't done much better, so firing rodriguez after just two years only leaves yet another cluster#$%# for the next coach to deal with...let him continue his plan and i think michigan can have a definite shot to at least compete for a conference title next year
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While it is easy to sit back and call for RR's head for not changing a 3-9 team to a New Years day bowl contender, you have to realize that we really should not have expected a complete turnaround from last season. This year, we have another true freshman QB in Tate Forcier, and while he has shown that he can win, he is still a freshman and has been known to show it at some key points in the season so far. Aside from having another true freshman at QB, the team is still very young and inexperienced. Keep in mind that our defense is in its first year of a new scheme. Having the problems that we see on defense is very frustrating, but it is to be expected when players are learning a new defensive scheme. All in all, I think that we should be somewhat happy and find a small victory in another miserable [probably] losing season. The team is showing progress. The offense is much more effective than it was last season. While this may be a tremendous overstatement, it is also true. This season, we have averaged 32 points per game over the first 10 games. Last year, the season average was 20.25. Keep in mind that we will continue to get better as our young offensive players mature in the system. On the defensive side of the ball, there aren't many bright spots this season. Another offseason under GERG, however, should help the defense smooth out some of the problems that have plagued us this season. There really shouldn't even be a discussion about whether or not RR should be fired. 3 of this season's games could just as easily have gone our way and we could be 8-2 at this point (MSU, Iowa, Purdue). In future seasons, we will have the experience and the improved skills to pull out a win in these close matchups. For now, firing RR would only set us back further than we already are. Give him another year or two and you will see the results that you are looking for...hopefully.
suggesting Calvin McGee be fired is insane
None of it will matter unless they put some serious recruiting effort into their defense this year. When you get into a shooting match with Indiana and Purdue you are doing something wrong. I've read the articles on how bare the cupboard was at DB recruits the last two years under Carr - what I have not seen since is significant enough effort under RR to remedy this. Seems like it would have made sense to trade a few 2 star slot receivers or undersized running backs for safeties and corners. I'm really curious to see what he does now that he at least has the bare bones of his offense established.
RE: All Offensive Statistics... Delaware State.
I'm of the opinion that in college football every coach gets 5 years to prove himself at a new school. The reasoning behind this is that by the 5th year every player on the roster has been recruited by the new coach, and he's had time to develop the upperclassmen (who should be starting) for 3+ years. So Rich Rod has another three seasons. Obviously the team has to show improvement, but I'm not expecting to be one of the top three teams in the big ten next year.
does it help at all to know that everyone in Columbus is pulling for RichRod to stay your coach for a long, long, LONG time?
In Ann Arbor is Rodriguez, Rich,
Too bad he can't find his niche,
Screams night and day,
When things don't go his way,
Not beating the Bucks is a bitch.
I think Rich Rodriguez will get fired after the season if he doesnt beat Ohio State. In his two seasons at Michigan coach there have been very few things to get excited about, and I dont think you will see the patience out of the Michigan administration that you have out of Notre Dame's with Charlie Weiss.
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